Homosexual Behavior is More Like Consenual Incest… Will the USA have Hate Crime Laws?

When you look at the roots of homosexuality it becomes clear, especially for those of us who have come full-circle in leaving it behind, that there is a very distorted broken element of narcissism and the desire to repair the longings for connection to the same sex parent.  I must say that the Lord Jesus Christ has been very kind to me in pointing out the condition of my own emotional, relational and spiritual state in coming out of my sexual distortions and homosexuality.  This posted statement is in no way a reflection of condemnation, but one of presenting truth, compassionately as one who has struggled; even as difficult as it may be to face; the truth can set you free.  Does anyone really like looking at their own sin?  However in looking at it honestly before God there is freedom in yielding to Him, in Jesus Christ as Lord.

Dr. Gagnon has written a very compelling article in processing and reasoning out the problem of embracing of homosexuality and normalizing homosexuality to the level of race or gender.  This is what is being purposed by the United States Congress in legislating “Hate Crimes.” I agree with Dr. Gagnon’s conclusion in this article.  For me personally I see the conclusion of this legislation for revamping the USA society into a very distorted way of entering into relationships and sexuality, and thus it will continue to erode our society into characterlessness for the pleasures of being hedonistic.  We are fast becoming a society that is hostile towards Judeo-Christian laws and morality.  Please read Dr. Gagnon’s case

Why Homosexual Behavior Is More like Consensual Incest and Polyamory than Race or Gender

A Reasoned and Reasonable Case for Secular Society
Part 1: The Initial Case
by Robert A. J. Gagnon, Ph.D.
May 18, 2009

On Apr. 29 the U.S. House of Representatives passed the so-called “Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act” which places “sexual orientation” and “gender identity,” “real or perceived,” alongside of “race,” “national origin,” “gender,” and “disability” as benign conditions for which society should provide special protections in federal law. Those who oppose homosexual practice are, by analogy, implicitly identified in law as discriminatory bigots, akin to racists and misogynists.

The problem is that the analogy to race and gender doesn’t work well. Race and gender are 100% heritable, absolutely immutable, and primarily non-behavioral conditions of life, and therefore, intrinsically benign. Homosexuality and transsexuality are none of these things. While there probably are some biological risk factors for some homosexual development and even transgenderism, science has failed to establish that homosexuality and transsexuality develop deterministically like race and gender. Even the Kinsey Institute has acknowledged that at least one shift in the Kinsey spectrum of 0 to 6 is the norm over the course of life for those who identity as homosexual (75%). Most importantly, unlike race and gender, homosexuality and transsexuality are in the first instance impulses to engage in behavior that is structurally discordant with embodied existence (as male and female). They are therefore not intrinsically benign conditions.

I contend that a better analogy (i.e., with more points of substantive correspondence) can be made between homosexuality and transsexuality on the one hand and polysexuality (an orientation toward multiple sexual partners) and incest (here I am thinking of an adult-committed sort) on the other hand. The latter are, after all, two other sexual behaviors that are incongruent with embodied existence that, despite such incongruence, can still be conducted as committed, caring relationships between adults. If incest and polyamory are indeed better analogues to homosexuality and transgenderism, then it is clear that placing the latter alongside race and gender as conditions worthy of special protections and benefits becomes, well, misplaced.

In making these remarks, I trust that people of faith know that it is just as wrong to hate and commit violence against persons who engage in adult-consensual relationships with close kin or with multiple partners as it is to hate persons who engage in same-sex intercourse or who otherwise attempt to override their sex or gender given at birth. It is not right to hate anyone or commit violence against anyone.

As regards a logical connection to polyamory, the limitation of the number of persons in a valid sexual union to two persons at any one time is predicated on the natural “twoness” of the sexes, “male and female” or “man and woman.” This was certainly Jesus’ view in Mark 10 and Matthew 19, where he cited “God made them male and female” as the reason for overthrowing concurrent and serial polygamy). Polyamorous behavior and homosexual behavior alike violate the natural pair constituted by the existence of two primary, complementary sexes, even when they are conducted in the context of consensual, adult-committed relationships. The very sex act itself, which accommodates only one act of penetration at a time, illustrates the essential sexual “twoness” of a sexual bond predicated on two (and only two) complementary sexes.

As regards a logical connection to incest, incestuous behavior and homosexual behavior alike violate a requisite principle of embodied otherness within embodied sameness, even when such sexual behaviors are conducted consensually between committed adults. Incest is sex between persons who are too much structurally or formally alike as regards kinship. The high risk of birth defects that attend incestuous births is the symptom of the root problem: too much identity on the level of kinship between the sexual partners. That is why society rejects incestuous sexual relationships even when it occurs between consenting adults who either cannot procreate (whether because one partner is infertile or because both partners are of the same sex) or take active birth-control precautions. The structural impossibility of births arising from homosexual intercourse is likewise not so much the problem as the symptom of the root problem: namely, too much formal or structural identity between the participants and not enough complementary otherness, here as regards sex or gender.

In Part 2 I will look at what disproportionately high rates of measurable harms associated with homosexual relationships indicate for the unnatural character of homosexual relations.

Please Read the Concluding parts of Dr. Gagnon’s article:

Part 2: What Disproportionately High Rates of Harm Mean

Part 3: The Illogic of Homosexual Unions

Part 4: Responses to Counterarguments

Robert GagnonRobert A. J. Gagnon, Ph.D. is associate professor of New Testament at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, author of The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics (Abingdon Press) and co-author of Homosexuality and the Bible: Two Views (Fortress Press). His website www.robgagnon.net contains new material and updates to published work.

Luca WAS Gay – Luca ERA Gay by Povia

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Click here read Povia’s story as told by NARTH.  Read about what he has been going through with this amazing song going up on the pop charts despite the hate speech and death threats from the gay community.  Povia is courageous and I applauded him!  I also really like his song!

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Povia is merely trying to kindly communicate a story of hope without any condemnation, and yet the level of vitriol and intolerance revealed by the Italian gay community is truly a hate crime.  However, after hearing the rants of gays the audience decided that they had heard enough and began the ‘hissing’ ~ the same as booing here in the USA.  People know kind authenticity when they see it.  Rock on Povia!border

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Here’s a good English translation of this Italian hit Luca Was Gay!

INTRO:
Luca was gay and now he’s together with her, Luca speaks from his heart, Luca says I’m another man.

1st VERSE:
Luca says: Before telling you about my sexual change, I want to clarify that if I believe in God I can’t recognise myself in human thought which is divided on this matter, I haven’t gone to psychologists, psychiatrists, priests nor scientists.

I’ve gone into my past, delved into it and found out a lot about myself.

My mother had too much love for me, her love turned into full obsession with her convictions, her attentions wouldn’t let me breathe.

My father used to take no decisions and I could never talk with him, he was away at work all day, but I had the feeling that wasn’t the truth, that’s why Mum asked for divorce, I was 12 and didn’t really understand my father, he said ‘that’s the right solution’ and started to drink after sometime.

Mum always spoke badly of Dad to me and used to say ‘never get married, for God’s sake.

She was sick jealous of my girlfriends and my identity was growing confused.

Chorus:

Luca was gay and now he’s together with her, Luca speaks from his heart, Luca says I’m another man.
Luca was gay and now he’s together with her, Luca speaks from his heart, Luca says I’m another man.

2nd VERSE:

I’m another man now, but at that time I was looking for answers, I was ashamed so looked for my answers in hiding, some used to say ‘it’s natural.’

I studied Freud and he didn’t think the same, then high school finished but I didn’t know what happiness was, a big man made my heart shake and that’s when I knew I was a homosexual.

I had no inhibitions with him, he courted me and I thought that was love, yes with him I could feel myself, but then it became like a competition on who made the best sex.

I felt guilty, sooner or later they’ll catch him, but if evidence disappears he’ll be acquitted.

I was looking for who my father was in men, and I used to go with men not to betray my mother.

2nd Chorus:

Luca was gay and now he’s together with her, Luca speaks from his heart. Luca says I’m another man.
Luca was gay and now he’s together with her, Luca speaks from his heart, Luca says I’m another man.

SPECIAL:
Luca says: For 4 years I’d been with a man through love and deceptions, we often betrayed each other.

I was still looking for my truth, that big eternal love, then I met her at a party, among a lot of people, she had nothing to do with it all, she listened to me, undressed me, understood me. I only remember that I missed her the day after.

This is my story, only my story, no illness, no recovery.

Dear Dad, I’ve forgiven you even though you’ve never come back here.

Mum, I often think of you and I love you, and sometimes still see your reflection.

But now I’ve become a father and I’m in love with the only woman I’ve ever loved.

Final Chorus:

Luca was gay and now he’s together with her, Luca speaks from his heart, Luca says I’m another man.
Luca was gay and now he’s together with her, Luca speaks from his heart, Luca says I’m another man.

Mean-spirited emails over Carrie Prejean post

Hate EmailI have received some very interesting emails about my previous post.

Let me clarify again; I am not trying to communicate that Carrie Prejean is to be compared to the godliness of an Esther or that her sacrifice of giving up the Miss USA crown is the same level of sacrifice as Ether’s submission to an evil king. This post should be read in context with Pastor McPherson’s message and Carrie’s behind the scene testimony.

This blog post went up because I merely find it amusing and interesting how this issue – (A Biblical Standard of Holiness) was brought to National attention; it took a 21 year old “beauty queen” persecuted by a gay activist – Prez Hilton, a silent Donald Trump, and the gay sympathizing Ms. USA judge panel bias. Another reason for this post was the amusing and sad part of this whole account; that this wasn’t brought to National attention by the CHURCH or godly men.

I find it interesting that I received emails from hateful gay blog bullies and religious folks who are unwilling to come out of the shadows to actually talk to me and reveal their identities but are content to spew their hate and religious talk.

I close with this thought. My original post was not an endorsement of Carrie Prejean’s past behavior of taking photos half nude or even being a beauty queen. However it is about a mere observation of a 21 year old, growing adult, willing to come full circle and surrender a pageant title to her faith in God and her personal belief that marriage is between one man and one woman. This took a lot of courage, and unfortunately it is more courage than many pastors. I am still waiting on the pastors who are unwilling to speak out against this new President’s pro-gay agenda; the very pastors that endorsed Obama and voted for him as President; as this President has set this country into a new level of homosexual acceptance. Sadly it seems there has been more courage displayed in this “beauty-queen” than most “Christian” men in the Church who are unwilling to take a public STAND about these social issues of our day.

However Pastor McPherson gave us very good reminder that we are to STAND!

For Such A Time As This… Carrie Prejean

Esther and CarrieEsther is the 17th book in the Bible. Carrie Prejean entered the pageant world at age 17. Esther was a winner of beauty contest to be a queen, and Carrie Prejean was in a beauty contest. I am not trying to communicate that Carrie’s stand for righteousness is equal to an Esther.  I am amused by God using the simple things in this life to confound the wise and even religious. Isn’t interesting how God used the incredible life of Esther to save the Jews from destruction.  Esther actually won an ordered line-up-beauty-contest to see who would be the king’s wife.  Esther was born “for such a time as this” to bring salvation. (Es. 4:14). Could it be that Carrie Prejean lost her Miss USA crown to gain another crown?  Perhaps a crown of righteousness?  Perhaps to lead the way of courage and wake up many other Christians to stand up for the truth! There are many pastors and Christian leaders who could learn courage from this woman.  I am not writing this because I think Ms. Prejean is perfect, we all have a past, but it is about the present and being courageous.  Mean people will dig up her past to use it against her. Yet, with political-correctness opposition, gay marriage promoters, and hate crimes legislation to potentially arm gay activists to stop Christian speech, perhaps Carrie Prejean has been used of God to defend marriage and the Gospel of Jesus Christ, for a call to others to follow. Perhaps it takes a little 21-year-old young-woman to speak the truth. Truly God has a bigger crown than Miss USA for Carrie Prejean.  We must seek God’s approval and not mans’ approval and Carrie Prejean was good example of this truth. I am very proud of this 21 year-old culture-warrior.

Carrie Prejean has said nothing wrong; she merely took a stand for her belief about marriage and it cost her.  God gave Carrie His word as she traveled to New York the next day after the pageant for her first interview. Carrie was asking God, “why?” And her Bible opened to “Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted…” 2 Tim. 3:12 This is true for all those who desire to follow Christ.  Carrie had no idea what was going to happen.  Listen to this interview “No Compromise: Standing Firm On Your Faith” and be encouraged.

No Compromise Interview and Message with Carrie PrejeanCarrie’s Pastor – Miles McPherson interviews Carrie about the behind-the-scenes story.  This is an excellent interview and a wonderful word of encouragement, especially for those of us who are under attack by cruel and hateful people.  We must STAND strong for the truth!

Here are Pastor McPherson’s message points “STAND” from the interview:

1) S – Stare Down Courage ~ we must have “stare down courage!” We must put our lives on the line for The Truth! We cannot be intimidated by angry gays or those who are politically correct.

2) T – Trust in The Truth and never a lie!  We must base our lives on the truth of God’s word.  If we always tell the truth we don’t ever have to wonder what should be said, we will be speaking God’s truth.

3) A – Accept God’s Sovereign Provision – God will provide our needs even when it seems like everything comes crashing down for those who live according to HIS principles.  God will give you courage, wisdom, help, strength and physical provisions. (This point really blessed me today!)

4) N – Never Fear Man! “The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord.”  Our God is holy and we must love and obey Him rather than please man.  The fear of man is a snare to our soul.  When we walk in the holy fear of God our motives will be made right by His Spirit, but when we fear man it will lead us into deception.

5) D – Die to Yourself – We must be true to ourselves; by having a life devoted to Jesus Christ as Lord.

Carrie Prejean ended this interview by thanking the gay community.  A very classy and kind woman, not that I agree with her assessment that most of the gay community is kind towards her beliefs.  As a former homosexual, I am very doubtful about the majority of the gay community’s sentiments with Carrie’s belief.  Again this just shows Carrie’s willingness to be kind in the face of such hate! “We overcome evil by doing good.” A Biblical truth foreign to the homosexual community. I actually do agree with Carrie that there are civil minded homosexuals that actually realize that Carrie isn’t a bigot to believe in God and the Bible, unfortunately they are few.

Pastor Miles McPherson was interview on The O’Reilly Factor this evening, May 5, 2009.  This was his answer to Bill O’Reilly concerning the pastor’s belief about gay marriage:

“I find it very offense that someone would equate their behavior to my ethnicity, I know a lot of people who USED TO be gay.  I don’t know any body who USED TO be Black.  I don’t see the similarity between those two things. I am offended by it. We are talking about behavior and someone’s ethnicity and there is no comparison between those two things.  What is the evidence that God makes people that way (gay)? There is no evidence (science) of that.  And does the Bible affirm that God made people homosexual? (No) Which He doesn’t.  I would say where’s your evidence? If people feel one way, that’s one thing, but to say that God did (make people gay) that’s a whole other thing, I think we have to go to the Bible and look at what HE says.”

Pastor Miles McPherson made it very clear that he does not believe that people are created by God to be homosexual, and communicated in the interview that we must believe the Bible!  Thank God for another pastor willing to stand for the truth, and who continues to stand for Prop. 8.

Miss California Faces Intolerance with Class

Disclaimer / Warning: The content of the bottom YouTube video with Perez Hilton is offensive.  The use of this video is not to be construed as an endorsement of the video producer and is used only as informational purposes only.

Carrie Prejean ~ The Classy Miss CaliforniaThe level of intolerance in the USA is at an all time high, but not from the “right-wing” conservatives or from Christians. It is coming from those who scream the loudest for tolerance. Politically correct tolerance is only for those who believe that homosexual behavior must be given civil rights status equal to race and gender; and any other beliefs are met with hostility and intolerance.  This intolerance not only came from the openly gay Perez Hilton as seen in the hateful video clip below, but from the betrayal of Miss California’s “friends” and colleagues.  It is now obvious Carrie Prejean’s “friends” were in this only for the “win” and not for Carrie personally.  Miss Prejean’s “freinds” Shanna Moakler and business partner Keith Lewis completely snubbed Carrie, only later to continue in their intolerance by communicating divisive twitter posts.

Miss California, Carrie Prejean who was winning the contest for Miss USA until she was asked the controversial question by Perez Hilton a self proclaimed gay celebrity gossip queen.  Perez asked the question since four states have legalized gay marriage shouldn’t all the states now legalize marriage?  Whatever happened to majority rules in a vote?  There are currently 30 other states that have already said “NO” to gay marriage, apparently all of Miss Prejean’s critics have forgotten this known fact. Let’s remember, Miss California does represent California as it was the majority who voted for Prop 8. No doubt Miss California faced fierce political and spiritual opposition on the stage in giving her answer, yet Carrie stayed true to her convictions and boldly shared her belief in God and her faith in Jesus Christ as seen in this YouTube interview with Sean Hannity.

Carrie Prejean feels so blessed to be one who would rather live by her convictions than compromise to be a man pleaser!  She is a much better role-model than those left behind in this story.  Carrie Prejean stood strong on her faith and Biblical beliefs.  I applaud Miss California!  I pray she goes far, and I believe she will.  We are now living in a day when there are fewer and fewer people willing to take such a bold stand.  Many minister’s could learn from Carrie’s stand and bold witness.  Unfortunately everyone is told by the politically correct left that it will offend someone, and masses of Christians are shut down and silenced.

Miss California has continued to handle her interviews with dignity and class.  Sean Hannity asked Ms. Prejean in this interview how she felt about Peres’ verbal attacks; as his politically motivated judgment cost her the crown.  Carrie answered with great class and godliness, as she communicated forgiveness to Perez.  She wishes Perez and her friends the very best.  It was sincere and truly beautiful. What a terrifically beautiful woman of God, inside and out.

Perez Hilton could learn a lot from this REAL queen, Miss California.   Read how outrageous this leader of the gay Hollywood elite treats the classy Miss Prejean. Perez Hilton has come unhinged and sadly represents many who feel the same way.  Perez Hilton, Miss USA judge, calls beauty queen, Carrie Prejean the ‘B-word’ and the ‘C-word’ with sarcasm and hatred. So where are the drive by media decries? Where is “Miss USA Pageant” quick denouncements? Sadly they are non-existent.

Do Not Feed The Trolls! ~ DNFTT

Do Not Feed The Trolls!This is very good advice given to me from a friend who has an avid use of the Internet in blogging and dealing with trolls.  Don’t give a morsel or a bone! “Don’t feed the trolls!”  Feeding is responding back to their craziness! DNFTT!  They will only harass you more and use what ever you say against you, as they have no interest for mature or professional dialog, they’re bullies.

What is a troll? A troll is an internet bully(s) who insists on being a nuisance by attacking and writing distorted, untrue and hateful things about you in a newsgroup or on a blog – or somewhere on the Internet.  They will usually contact you through emails, comments on a blog and will try to stir up controversy through blog postings. When individuals or groups continuing in this behavior it is called trolling.  Unfortunately it can also develop into what is stalking.

There are groups of people who are watching ministers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ who are watching ex-gay leaders with stalker mentalities and even incitements to assassinate a person’s character.  It can become difficult when a troll becomes a stalker, and legal action must be taken.  I really appreciate godly lawyers who desire help people in ministry.  There are good lawyers with the Alliance Defense Fund, Thomas More Law Center, and then there are local lawyers who have been very helpful to me and to First Stone Ministries. There are groups of liberal blog bullies and trolls who actually advocate for stalking or suggest ways to actually trouble Christian conservatives, ex-gay ministry leaders and their staffs.

Truly we are living in new days when those who screamed the loudest for tolerance are now become some of the most intolerant hateful people in our society.  Some people are actually becoming violent in adolescent demands as has been reported in the news with the riots in California over Proposition 8 in this last election in November.  Ironically these are people who actually cry out, “no to hate” and yet are very people who are demonstrated extremely hateful behavior, crying out for the burning down of churches and the killing of Christians, and then demand hate crimes legislation for preservation for themselves.  This would be laughable if it were not so insanely dangerous. It seems that anarchy has begun in California with recent events in Oakland, CA, the city next door to San Francisco, and this of course where a Christian missionary was beaten with her own Bible and kicked repeatedly for merely singing worship songs on the streets with her group in the gay Montrose District of San Francisco.

I have encountered several mean-spirited gay activists and blog bullies in the past few years. However, 2008-2009 has given me some extra experience than in past years.  Most of these new experience started after sharing my story in finding freedom from homosexuality and sharing my feelings about free speech at the Oklahoma State Capitol on April 2, 2008.  I have also had more experiences after posting my personal beliefs here on my personal blog, and after writing articles about freedom from homosexuality.  I am grieved, but not surprised at the level of hate that has been spewed out at me and First Stone Ministries, the staff, volunteers, even my wife and children from people who claim to be so tolerant.  It is sad how other Christian and ex-gay leaders through the country are being treated.  I could write for an hour telling the stories.

Bottom line, if you share something contrary or in opposition to the politically correct liberal leftist position about homosexuality,  there is NO tolerance of your views.  Freedom of speech for the Christian is coming to an end IF the liberal left have their way. It has become clear that tolerance is only for those who have the gay political point of view.  Accept homosexuality as normal, or you are a bigot, and a hate monger.  So ironically intolerance is coming from the groups of people who demanded tolerance. There is no room for tolerance for conservative Bible believing ministries like First StoneFocus on the FamilyExodus International, and scores of many other Christian organizations with  who are in opposition to politically gay-agenda-minded motivated groups.  The Internet is full of personal blogs of gay men/woman and gay organizations who wish the demise of Christian organizations.

DFTT!  – Don’t feed the trolls, and sound advice from my lawyers: document everything, keep everything, start filing police reports and get a team of lawyers.

Trying to Appease Critics? ~ A Devotion from Proverbs 5

I originally posted this on Saturday, April 5th, 2008 after I read and listened to Proverbs 5.  I could not stop thinking about it.  It was an unusually experience.  I read it in eight versions of the Bible.  I was in my car listening to the audio in the NET version of the Bible.  My spirit was stirred and the Lord gave me the following for me personally, but also for anyone who reads this, especially for those entangled with debating those in opposition to the Gospel. (Read Proverbs 5 first).
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Read Proverbs 5

Read Proverbs 5

My dear friends, you are like my child to me.  I have the Father’s heart in speaking with you. I am gravely concern about you.  Please listen to me very closely, make your ears to hear what I have to say.  I have a warning from God.  This warning comes from ancient wisdom, God’s Spirit; therefore this wisdom is from the mind of God.  If you will heed my warning then you will operate in discretion and you will have God’s wisdom.  Beware of the soothing words of the immoral person. The deceived person’s words can feel so good, just like soothing oil. The immoral man or woman speaks with words that are kindly seductive.  They will manipulate you, trying to draw you into sexual immorality. They are corrupt. They secretly hope for your down fall. However, when they fail at drawing you into sexual immorality, they will draw you further into controversy. Their deceptive goal is to snare you into sin; the core sin of unbelief. They are deceived by their own trickery. They are so deceived they have no understanding. If you remain in the counsel of the immoral, before you know it; you will compromise the wisdom of God.  The immorally deceived person says, “bitter is sweet, and sweet is bitter.”  Beware my child! The end thereof in listening is worse than wormwood.  It is poison. Their words are like a two-edged sword, it will destroy you. The path of the immoral will actually lead you to the door of hell; they are ever drawing you to violate your relationship with King Jesus. They sow discord between you and your other brothers and sisters. I beg you my child, meditate on the wisdom from above, on the very word of God.  Do not be enticed by worldly debates and human intellect; those soothing words of the immoral.  It is very harmful. It will steal your life away.  It will take your strength and your wealth.  Your wealth will be taken from you and given to another.  Beware of these immoral people and their false teachings.  It will alienate you from God.  You cannot be a friend of God and a friend of the world.  Friendship with the world and immoral people is spiritual adultery. Do not let human compassion and the soothing words of the immoral deceive you. They will accuse you falsely.  They will say all manner of evil against you. They will betray you. They will ironically accuse you of the very thing they are doing.  They will say, love is hate and hate is love. Beware! If you listen and are attached to the immoral you will have your life strength removed. You will be the one mourning in the presence of the King. You will have rejected the King’s reproof. This poison of compromise can ruin you life.  I passionately want to spare you my child, because I love you.

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I am blessed and sobered by this warning. What about you? I realize that I can only try to please the Lord. When I am trying to please Him, I will please some people, some of the time, but I will never please everyone. Jesus is enough, to Him be all the glory!

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